Armée Marocaine 🇲🇦

[mohhaider]

Selon cet article le Maroc compte acquérir des missiles Français pour ses F16
http://www.hibapress.com/details-26455.html

[scorpion-rouge35]

ça serait surprenant c'est pas vraiment le genre des américains de laissé un autre pays bidouiller leurs équipement

[Youma]

Selon cet article le Maroc compte acquérir des missiles Français pour ses F16
http://www.hibapress.com/details-26455.html

Absurdité de certains médias marocains,les AASM ont été acquis antérieurement,et déjà équipant les chasseurs mirages MF2000.

[sabot2012]

l'aasm est pour les MF2000 la presse arabo-phone n'a jamais été une reference dans ce domaine

[Youma]

The M1A1 Tank Special Armor and other special armors used in the hull and turret are classified at the Secret level. Major components of special armor are fabricated in sealed modules and in serialized removable subassemblies. Special armor components and associated vulnerability data for both chemical and kinetic energy rounds are classified Secret.

https://www.federalregister.gov/article ... ation#p-24

Transmittal No. 12-28
Notice of Proposed Issuance of Letter of Offer
Pursuant to Section 36(b)(1)
of the Arms Export Control Act
Annex
Item No. vii

(vii) Sensitivity of Technology:
1. The M1A1 Abrams Tanks components considered to contain sensitive
technology in the proposed program are as follows:

a. The M1A1 Thermal Imaging System (TIS) 2nd Gen Forward Looking
Infrared (FLIR) constitutes a target acquisition system which, when operated with other
tank systems, gives the tank crew a substantial advantage over the potential threat. The
TIS provides the M1A1 crew with the ability to effectively aim and fire the tank main
armament system under a broad range of adverse battlefield conditions. The hardware
itself is Unclassified. The engineering design and manufacturing data associated with the
detector and infrared (IR) optics and coatings are considered sensitive. The technical
data package is Unclassified with the exception of the specifications for target acquisition
range (Confidential), nuclear hardening (Confidential, restricted data) and laser
hardening (Secret).

b. The M1A1 Tank Special Armor and other special armors used in the hull
and turret are classified at the Secret level. Major components of Special Armor are
fabricated in sealed modules and in serialized removable subassemblies. Special
Armor components and associated vulnerability data for both chemical and kinetic
energy rounds are classified Secret.

c. The use of the Advanced Gas Turbine-1500 (AGT-1500) Gas Turbine
Propulsion System in the MlA1 is a unique application of armored vehicle power
pack technology. The hardware is composed of the AGT-1500 engine and
transmission, and is Unclassified. Manufacturing processes associated with the
production of turbine blades, recuperator, bearings and shafts, and hydrostatic pump
and motor, are proprietary and therefore commercially competition sensitive.

d. A major survivability feature of the Abrams Tank is the
compartmentalization of fuel and ammunition. Compartmentalization is the positive
separation of the crew and critical components from combustible materials. In the event
that the fuel or ammunition is ignited or deteriorated by an incoming threat round, the
crew is fully protected by the compartmentalization. Sensitive information includes the
performance of the ammunition compartments as well as the compartment design
parameters.

2. If a technologically advanced adversary were to obtain knowledge of the
specific hardware and software elements, the information could be used to develop
countermeasures or equivalent systems which might reduce weapon system effectiveness
or be used in the development of a system with similar or advanced capabilities.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspect ... -15988.pdf

[KRATOS]

AGT-1500 :goodnews1: for us
using a turbine engine in a desertic environment is a stupid choise (the vulnerability to sand, high fuel consumption rate, huge thermal signature...)

[sabot2012]

beaucoup de pays désertiques possèdent l'Abrams : l'egypte l’Arabie saoudite , Koweït, Iraq, l’Australie

[KRATOS]

The abrams was chosen for Egypt by the USA and Mubarak regime to make sure that Israel would be advantageous in any future conflict in Sinai desert, that why their military proposel to replace the turbofan by a Ukrainian diesel engine was refused.
As for Saudi Arabia and Koweit, their Abrams are used by the national guard to protect the monarchies from military coups (urban envirement) and remains most of the time in storage near the capitals and royal palaces. Why do you think the Kuwaiti Army is upgrading its M-84 and the Saudis are buying 800 Leos, because they know that the Honeywell gas turbine engines can't resist the effects of sand and dust. For exemple in the desert during the Gulf war in 1991, US M1A1 Abrams tanks burnt four times more fuel than British Challenger IIs did and when there was a sandstorm in the desert, and the air filters of the M1A1 tanks lasted only for 15 min. Then the tanks had to stop. At the same time, the Syrian division that was part of the coalition forces was conducting a 1,000-km march on its T-62 tanks. During the march, not a single tank stopped for technical reasons, let alone due to the air inlet balled up with sand that's why in the tender conducted by Turkey for a tank to field with its army. At the request of the Turkish military, an M1A1's turbine powerplant was replaced with the German-built EuroPowerPack fitted with a diesel of the same power

[Youma]

Nous ne devrions pas comparer les M1A1 (SA) marocains avec les M1A1 ou M1A2 des autres pays arabes,je vois un immense différence,et le document ci-dessus le preuve,les M1A1 (SA) marocains auront ce que les M1A1 et M1A2 d'autres pays arabes n'auront pas.

2nd Gen FLIR fait partie du programme M1A2 (SEP)

The 2nd Generation Forward Looking InfraRed sighting system (2nd Gen FLIR) will replace the existing Thermal Image System (TIS) and the Commander's Independent Thermal Viewer. The incorporation of 2nd Gen FLIR into the M1A2 tank will require replacement of all 1st Gen FLIR components. From the warfighter perspective, this is one of the key improvements on the SEP. The 2nd Gen FLIR is a fully integrated engagement-sighting system designed to provide the gunner and tank commander with significantly improved day and night target acquisition and engagement capability. This system allows 70% better acquisition, 45% quicker firing and greater accuracy. In addition, a gain of 30% greater range for target acquisition and identification will increase lethality and lessen fratricide.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... d/m1a2.htm

[sabot2012]

l'Abrams est un materiel éprouvé en guerre réelle . ses qualité se concentrent dans son equipement son armure et ses munitions qui lui confèrent un avantage non negligeable en guerre reelle . en guerre d'iraq l'abrams a deja shooté un char iraqien loin de 8600m. il est capable de voir un char ennemi derriere un dune de sable et aussi capable de détecter des trace thermiques de présence récente de char ennemies ayant quitté les lieux.sans oublier la precision de tir

[dil@w]

l'Abrams est un materiel éprouvé en guerre réelle . ses qualité se concentrent dans son equipement son armure et ses munitions qui lui confèrent un avantage non negligeable en guerre reelle . en guerre d'iraq l'abrams a deja shooté un char iraqien loin de 8600m. il est capable de voir un char ennemi derriere un dune de sable et aussi capable de détecter des trace thermiques de présence récente de char ennemies ayant quitté les lieux.sans oublier la precision de tir

Nous ne devrions pas comparer les M1A1 (SA) marocains avec les M1A1 ou M1A2 des autres pays arabes,je vois un immense différence,et le document ci-dessus le preuve,les M1A1 (SA) marocains auront ce que les M1A1 et M1A2 d'autres pays arabes n'auront pas.

The 2nd Generation Forward Looking InfraRed sighting system (2nd Gen FLIR) will replace the existing Thermal Image System (TIS) and the Commander's Independent Thermal Viewer. The incorporation of 2nd Gen FLIR into the M1A2 tank will require replacement of all 1st Gen FLIR components. From the warfighter perspective, this is one of the key improvements on the SEP. The 2nd Gen FLIR is a fully integrated engagement-sighting system designed to provide the gunner and tank commander with significantly improved day and night target acquisition and engagement capability. This system allows 70% better acquisition, 45% quicker firing and greater accuracy. In addition, a gain of 30% greater range for target acquisition and identification will increase lethality and lessen fratricide.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... d/m1a2.htm

c'est bien mais les remarques plus haut portaient sur la motorisation inadaptée à l'environnement desertique, je vous renvois aussi aux videos qu'a posté Kratos

The real Abrams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULC0TOiZZzc&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWG6Tp04Nnk&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWgn7O0c4Ag&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6zv8QJClBg&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjhfwkQjyw4&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Xm2gQaFlQ&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLQh-hq8XKU&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiceFAZ9dcM&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC8pqXPoyBA&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTTaBWeR-YY&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr64mZNinJI&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nCVee_dEMI&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbNtjH8dWuw&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbUo5gMdjOM&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVGwHSgHO0A&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ZhEIrf42M&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCqPpXY0c7Y&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA60y-_wS0A&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHQMyxMRo8o&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XncSzFPpHEg&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smtls6iSjrY&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irW_AJtANbE&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_oCjPwde7I&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvuA323zfJk&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqAyWsuM6f0&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BbwFBQqgVY&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWRwbPUy40k&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92URGEpl6Dw&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sZUtmDck9Q&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqM3XiYTbok&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98Gz5Uvmmzs&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOOmQ-d0-Lo&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-adC5sqeKMs&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCU9ScdZH9A&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49Mg4WLk8HA&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zF62caxQKA&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20YidQceSzI&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl0osHn-nNQ&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ2lVAjQdCo&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x1N0Fj7WEM&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZoBXZU2GXw&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QmZnfwmlMA&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS_dXgi-4bc&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgZ0Ttsqx90&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGINqk3CF_M&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lZrI0HSOf0&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g3R8ffVKL8&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RlCIF-gtGA&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJgLn29al08&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQHeCEawZ2A&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7WxYWY7mVc&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHbQT_tV0aw&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoJGHnm6QAI&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7Mqy0Q_4cU&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCF-ND8Yyp0&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBLQmd65e5I&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX6Vs3a_77s&feature=plcp

j'ai visionné une bonne partie d'entre elles et j'y ai appris de bonnes anecdotes" sur ce char la première dizaine est suffisante pour pointer du doigt les plus gros défauts de ce char

[KRATOS]

Nous ne devrions pas comparer les M1A1 (SA) marocains avec les M1A1 ou M1A2 des autres pays arabes,je vois un immense différence,et le document ci-dessus le preuve,les M1A1 (SA) marocains auront ce que les M1A1 et M1A2 d'autres pays arabes n'auront pas.

2nd Gen FLIR fait partie du programme M1A2 (SEP)

The 2nd Generation Forward Looking InfraRed sighting system (2nd Gen FLIR) will replace the existing Thermal Image System (TIS) and the Commander's Independent Thermal Viewer. The incorporation of 2nd Gen FLIR into the M1A2 tank will require replacement of all 1st Gen FLIR components. From the warfighter perspective, this is one of the key improvements on the SEP. The 2nd Gen FLIR is a fully integrated engagement-sighting system designed to provide the gunner and tank commander with significantly improved day and night target acquisition and engagement capability. This system allows 70% better acquisition, 45% quicker firing and greater accuracy. In addition, a gain of 30% greater range for target acquisition and identification will increase lethality and lessen fratricide.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... d/m1a2.htm

Nowadays tanks (T-90/Leclerc/Merkava) are using 3d Gen FLIR

l'Abrams est un materiel éprouvé en guerre réelle . ses qualité se concentrent dans son equipement son armure et ses munitions qui lui confèrent un avantage non negligeable en guerre reelle . en guerre d'iraq l'abrams a deja shooté un char iraqien loin de 8600m. il est capable de voir un char ennemi derriere un dune de sable et aussi capable de détecter des trace thermiques de présence récente de char ennemies ayant quitté les lieux.sans oublier la precision de tir

The MRM-KE is not offered for export

[sabot2012]

le sahara est beaucoup plus rocailleux que sablonneux faut pas se tromper rien avoir avec le désert irakien
et malgré les problème de sable cela ne l'a pas empêché de faire un carnage dans les rangs irakiens

[dil@w]

le sahara est beaucoup plus rocailleux que sablonneux faut pas se tromper rien avoir avec le désert irakien
et malgré les problème de sable cela ne l'a pas empêché de faire un carnage dans les rangs irakiens

rocaille ou pas la turbine a été conçue pour opérer dans les plaines et vallées européennes afin d’arrêter la vague de char soviétiques pas pour rouler dans le désert et rocaille ou pas le moteur souffrira, pour ce qui est de l'Irak c'est plus les apaches, la désorganisation, la démotivation mais aussi l'obsolescence du materiel des troupes mécanisées et blindées irakiennes qui ont conduit à la déroute que nous connaissons.
honnêtement regarde les vidéos de Kratos beaucoup d'infos au sujet de l'abrams y sont mentionnées dont la campagne d'Irak 1991/2003

[Youma]

Nowadays tanks (T-90/Leclerc/Merkava) are using 3d Gen FLIR

Prouvez le mon ami @Kratos,et si vrai,doit dépendre de la version,exportable ou non exportable,aussi,je pense que si ces nouvelles est vrai,

l’armée algérienne avait commandé plus de 300 chars T-90 pour un montant d’un milliard de dollars.

http://www.opex360.com/2012/02/18/la-ru ... -lalgerie/

je peux dire que:

2nd Gen FLIR Made in USA = 3nd Gen FLIR Made in russia/france/israel ,en capacité et qualité.

Je pense que les Américains s'attendent à équiper le future M1A3 avec 3nd Gen FLIR,le M1A3 ne verra pas la lumière jusqu'en 2014.

Avec des intentions pacifiques :hadarat: