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Turkey To Buy $5.5B in Weapons

NATO Concerned by Russian, Chinese Interest



ANKARA, Turkey — Turkish authorities are preparing to announce in early July their choices on two critical weapon systems totaling more than $5.5 billion, one senior procurement official said.

The long-range air and missile defense system, worth more than $4 billion, has attracted companies from China, Europe, Russia and the U.S. Meanwhile, two local shipyards are competing for the country’s indigenous program for building corvettes, totaling $1.5 billion.

The presence of Russian and Chinese competitors for the missile system has drawn security concerns from some NATO allies.

Turkey’s Defense Industry Executive Committee will meet in early July, probably July 4, on the selections and is expected to announce decisions or at least a shorter list.

Competitors in the air and missile defense system include: U.S. partners Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, with their Patriot-based system; Eurosam with its SAMP/T Aster 30; Russia’s Rosoboronexport, marketing the country’s S-300 and S-400 systems; and China’s CPMIEC (China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp.), offering its HQ-9.

Eurosam’s shareholders include MBDA — jointly owned by British BAE Systems, Italian Finmeccanica and pan-European EADS — and France’s Thales. These companies will work with Turkish partners.

“We definitely expect a decision this time. The program was delayed since 2009,” a business official said. “We should see at least a short list of some of the companies.”

Members of the Defense Industry Executive Committee are Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan; Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz; Gen. Necdet Ozel, chief of the Turkish General Staff; and Murad Bayar, head of the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries.

Many Western officials and experts said the Russian and the Chinese systems are not compatible with NATO systems. If a Russian or Chinese company is selected, it might have access to classified information that could compromise NATO’s procedures.

But despite this criticism, Turkey has said there is no need to exclude the countries from the competition.

One Western expert countered: “If, say, the Chinese win the competition, their systems will be in interaction, directly or indirectly, with NATO’s intelligence systems, and this may lead to the leak of critical NATO information to the Chinese, albeit inadvertently. So this is dangerous.”

“NATO won’t let that happen,” said one Western official here familiar with NATO matters. “If the Chinese or the Russians win the Turkish contest, their systems will have to work separately. They won’t be linked to NATO information systems.”

This marks the first time NATO has strongly urged Turkey against choosing the non-Western systems.

“One explanation is that Turkey itself doesn’t plan to select the Chinese or Russian alternatives eventually but still is retaining them among their options to put pressure on the Americans and the Europeans to curb their prices,” the Western expert said.

Turkey’s national air and missile defense program is independent from NATO’s own plans to design, develop and build a collective missile shield.

Under that NATO plan, the alliance has deployed a special X-band radar in Kurecik in eastern Turkey for early detection of missiles launched from the region.

Ideally, in the event of a launch of a ballistic missile from a rogue state, it would be detected by the Turkish-based X-band radar. Then, U.S.-made Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) interceptors based initially on U.S. Navy Aegis-equipped destroyers to be deployed in the eastern Mediterranean — and later possibly in Romania — would be fired to hit the incoming missile midflight.

The Defense Industry Executive Committee also is expected to select a national commercial shipyard to manufacture the third through the eighth of the Milgem national corvettes in the $1.5 billion program.

The candidates are RMK Marine, owned by the Koc conglomerate, and Dearsan A.S. The first two corvettes were built at a military shipyard. The first, Heybeliada, has entered service in the Navy, and the second, Buyukada, has been put to sea for tests.

The Milgem program is the first national project for Turkey to construct warships. Corvettes are the smallest of warships; the largest warship in Turkey’s Navy is the frigate, and Turkey plans to use experience gained in the Milgem project, when it is completed, to design, develop and construct its first national frigate, the TF2000, in the 2020s.

“The Milgem has been very useful from the point of design, development and construction of a national ship, and we are going to build on this experience to obtain the capability to build bigger warships,” the procurement official said.

http://www.defensenews.com/article/2012 ... |FRONTPAGE

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La Turquie cherche a se doter de systèmes anti-aériens

Turkey is considering the purchase Russia’s S-400 Triumf anti-aircraft weapon system amid growing tensions in the region.

According to local media, Turkey’s government is choosing between Russia’s S-400, US Patriot missile defense system, China’s FD 2000 system and French-Italian Eurosam SAMP/T.

Russia’s system is capable of combating all existing types of strategic offensive weapons, including missiles with the ground speed of 5,000 m/s, AWACS planes and reconnaissance-strike systems.

http://nosint.blogspot.fr/2012/06/turke ... fense.html

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le F-16 turque qui a participé au NATO Tiger Meet (NTM) 2012 en Norvège sur la base d'Orland

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Turkish Armed forces Martry lieutenant caner Gönyeli-2012 Search and Rescue exercises has been finished. The exercise done between in 11th-15th June. 2 frigates, 1 Corvette 8 Coast guard boats , 3 small tarnsport airplanes , 4 helicopters and 400 military personals from Turkish Navy and Air Force joined the exercise. The 16 observers from Pakistan ,Jordan and Saudi Arabia watched the exercise...

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selon la presse c'est un F4 que les syriens on abattu hier
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http://actu.orange.fr/une/la-syrie-reco ... 67620.html

c'est un F-4 comme celui la :

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Newly-supplied Russian Pantsyr-1 anti-air missile used to down Turkish warplane


Selon ce qu'affirme ce site israelien, le Super Phantom (F-4 upgradé par des éléments israéliens) fut abattu par un missile lancé depuis un Pantsyr S-1 de la 73e brigade de la 26e Division de défense aérienne syrienne.
le site affirme aussi que les Pantsyr-S1 etaient operés par des instructeurs russes parce que les systemes ont été livrés il y a quelques semaines seulement et que les syriens sont toujours en formation

Since the sophisticated weapons were delivered to the Assad regime in recent weeks, it must be assumed that local missile crews had not finished training in their use and would have had to rely on help from their Russian instructors to fire one.

mais plus bas dans le meme article ils se ventent d'avoir pu le jammer en 2007 quand ils attaquerent la "centrale nucleaire" syrienne à Al-Kibar, 5 ans ce n'est pas suffisant pour pouvoir operer un materiel nouvellement acquis ?? :koi:

This was also the first time in five years any weapons system with Israeli manufacturing input had faced a Russian weapon acquired by Syria.
The first time was September 6, 2007, when Israeli fighter-bombers demolished the Iranian-North Korean-built nuclear reactor in the northern Syrian town of Al-Kibar. Airspace over the reactor was guarded by Russian Pantsyr-S1 anti-air missiles. Israeli bombers got through by disabling the Russian missiles’ radar so that Damascus never realized its reactor was being bombed until it had been smashed and Israeli bombers were home

à moins qu'ils affirment que la russie ait deployé ses propres Pantsyr-S1 pour proteger le site :doute1:
ils affirment aussi que le Super Phantom effectuait une mission de reconnaissance au large des côtes syriennes pour voir ce qui se passait dans les ports de Tartous et de Latakia avec la présence russe, et que du coup Moscou et Damas auraient décidé de mettre fin à ces missions d'espionnage.
la perte du F-4 resulte aussi du fait de la rupture des relations diplomatiques suite au meurtre des turques sur le navire de la flottille de la paix le Mavi Marmara, laissant l'upgrade des F-4 incomplète surtout en ECM.
http://www.debka.com/article/22112/Newl ... h-warplane

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Turkish Phantom shot down by Syria update: Damascus releases the route flown by the plane

un autre site met en ligne une photo plutot interessante sur le plan de vol du RF-4E turque pendant sa mission jusqu'a ce qu'il se fasse descendre

At 11:40 AM on 22/6/2012, an unidentified aerial target violated Syrian airspace, coming from the west at a very low altitude and at high speed over territorial waters, so the Syrian anti-air defenses counteracted with anti-aircraft artillery, hitting it directly as it was 1 kilometer away from land, causing it to crash into Syrian territorial waters west of Om al-Tuyour village in Lattakia province, 10 kilometers from the beach.

As suggested by some readers, the RF-4E was probably carrying an Elbit’s LOROP reconnaissance system that gives the aircraft the ability to gather hi-rez imagery in both visible and IR spectrums at ranges up to 100 km from the target.

http://theaviationist.com/2012/06/23/tu ... wn-update/

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Were the Turkish Phantoms ‘Teasing’ Syrian Air Defenses for NATO’s ELINT Collection?
http://defense-update.com/20120624_were ... ction.html

Il y a toujours des doute sur la destruction de l'avion turque par la Défense.Aérienne syrienne ,la violation de l'espace aérienne syrien a été commis en l'ouest a base altitude et une grande vitesse sur le territoire syrien,l'avion a été touche a environs un kilomètre de la frontière maritime,l’équipage n'a pas étais retrouve

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Incident aérien : Ankara dénonce un acte “hostile” et se dit prêt à riposter

La Turquie a décidé d‘être beaucoup plus ferme à l‘égard de la Syrie, suite à l’incident aérien de vendredi. Le Premier ministre Recep Tayyip Erdogan a déclaré ce mardi devant les députés de son parti réunis au parlement à Ankara, que cette attaque était un acte “hostile” et “lâche”. Et il a prévenu que les règles d’engagement de l’armée turque avait changé. “Désormais, a-t-il dit, toute violation de sécurité à la frontière avec la Syrie fera l’objet d’une riposte militaire immédiate”. Et de conclure : “si la Turquie sait se montrer amicale, elle est aussi capable de manifester une vive colère”.

Vendredi, un avion turc de reconnaissance militaire a fait une incursion de quelques minutes en territoire syrien. Puis il a été abattu. L‘épave a ensuite été localisée au large des côtes syriennes. Mais on n’a toujours pas retrouvé les deux pilotes.

http://fr.euronews.com/2012/06/26/incid ... -riposter/

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